Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jay Wesley Neill

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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure)‎ PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:08, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Jay Wesley Neill

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This seems like WP:1E. I am not sure what the criteria is for murderers, but I don't think this is generally notable. Has been in CAT:NN for 14 years. Boleyn (talk) 11:19, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Crime, and Oklahoma. Shellwood (talk) 14:53, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - WP:1E is not a stand-alone reason for deleting an article. The primary purpose of 1E is to ensure that articles about events are centred on the event rather than a single individual involved in the event. Failing 1E is primarily addressed by renaming and editing the article to be about the event so long as it passes WP:NEVENT, and only deleting where an article about the event already exists and there is nothing to merge/redirect. In this case, there is no corresponding article about the massacre. The massacre clearly passes WP:NEVENT due to decades-long in state media and beyond including coverage of the event in 1984, coverage of the trial in 1985, coverage of the 2002 execution (see the source in the article) and retrospective coverage in a 2008 academic article and a newspaper story from 2021.

I'm open to renaming and editing the article to be about the event, or a merge/redirect if a suitable one can be identified. The article about the town has a section about the massacre, but the detail here would be undue if merged into it so I do not support that. Basically, the nom seems to have misunderstood what the purpose of 1E is - it isn't, by itself, a reason to delete. FOARP (talk) 15:00, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Someone who murdered four people would seem to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:29, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
• Withdraw nomination per above comments. Boleyn (talk) 16:00, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
• Even beyond 1E there were two people involved in this (even though only one was executed). Should be retitled "Geronimo Bank murders" or something of the like. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:02, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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